Help write a manifesto!

I know I’m being a bit optimistic but I hope it will be possible to get ideas from people who aren’t usually political at all.

It would definitely be good to know what changes you’d like to see.

Also, it’s probably straying into actual politics, but why do you think it was the MP who stopped building in Bishopstoke?

I’m really excited about the Eastleigh Labour asking for help writing their own manifesto, and it would be awesome if other parties did the same. Looking forward to seeing what gets in.

The Eastleigh Manifesto is deliberately public domain so that any party can pick out policies they would like to support, so if you want to contribute to both, start here → https://manifesto.openeastleigh.uk/ :slight_smile:

@afdy talking of lamp posts, your proposal has got past the minimum age now, so it would be great to try and get it in. Is there any chance you could update it based on the feedback, and “sign” the contributor license?

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I can’t see a modification that would get past- the only other voter wants centralised control of street lamps! I feel there are are too few logical minded people in the voting pool to make it viable right now. :slight_smile:

Also - suggest if someone votes against you change the colour from a green X to a red X to make it more clear, it looks like they voted for :wink:

The voting pool is too small to work yet so I’ll be erring on the side of getting proposals in until there are enough voters. (Not sure what constitutes enough yet- answers on a postcard!)

I definitely think decentralised control would be a good policy to get in, although concerns about passing “users” of lamp posts needing to be considered seem valid to me, as well as funding- not everyone will be able to find £5 for something which arguably they’ve already paid the council for. I’m more than happy to leave funding considerations out completely though since it’s meant to be an aspirational manifesto. (Anyone who campaigned for any of the policies would have to worry about the money of course!)

Anyway, I still think there’s a really worthwhile policy which I hope goes in.

I’ll have a look into the voting symbols.

Ok i’ve given it a blast. I feel sure he’ll just say no!

RE: Numbers of voters needed, Elon Musk reckons we need 1million humans on mars to be able to re-settle safely. Not sure that’s relevant here mind, just found it interesting. :wink:

I think that’s the problem; if your magic number of 100, they could all be from the same biased area. Think there’s a few gaps in the local manifest approach after using it;

  • People could take part from out of area too easily.
  • Technical barrier I think limits the solution to github users, or people dedicated enough to learn!
  • approval problem from such a small group. Somehow needs more seed voters!

People could take part from out of area too easily

Why is that a problem? I don’t mind who takes part, or where they are, although I don’t suppose people out of the area are likely to be interested.

Technical barrier I think limits the solution to github users, or people dedicated enough to learn!

100% agree! It’s a work in progress and it definitely needs to be easier to use. Being able to log in with different IDs would hopefully help. Just need more hours in the day!

Somehow needs more seed voters!

Definitely, which is why for now proposals will get in unless there are stong objections.

Not sure whether it will overcome all the problems but I think it’s worth a try. If you’re interested it’s based on The OpenPolitics Manifesto but I think that started with a group of people who were all on GitHub, which isn’t exactly representative :slight_smile:

I think it’s my fear of a gaming thing again. If someone doesn’t like something, it would be easier to find 50 people out-of-area to help me game it than it would find 50 people local.

I did actually have a nosy and a look at this. Love the concept it just needs to be a little more accessible. One day it’ll get there i’m sure. :slight_smile:

Between your manifesto’s and open discussion here, maybe we can start putting Eastleigh politics on the map!

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Hopefully not in the same way as Handforth :slight_smile:

Pahahaha. At least people in handforth will now be getting interested in local politics! :rofl:

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hey how can you get people to sign-up to vote in the post?

this will be big this year and i think it needs to be high up in peoples thinking or we will just get the same people in at local elections.

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Hi @JonDramas, if you mean who gets to vote on manifesto proposals, then that’s whoever has successfully contributed to the manifesto. Anyone can leave a comment though!

If you mean, how do you get people to want to vote, then that’s a trickier question! I think this year will be a big one for local elections as well- at least I hope so! Good ideas and discussions might help get people interested, and spread the word!

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Thnks for the info Jtonline.

I’,m going to take a look.maybe i can share an idea first to make sure it all makes sense?. i think it is a good idea for local issues and also in making the council up to a standard that they claim they are.

have to say that the labour are doing more which is good so i will look at them at the elections. Im in hedge end as well.

Sure, no problem sharing here first- that’s how the street light proposal started :slight_smile:

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Jon you can make a submission to Eastleigh Labour’s local manifesto consultation here: Eastleigh Labour’s Local Manifesto We’d love to hear from you!

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Heya James,

If the authors of the policies in your opensource manifesto would like to have their ideas included please encourage them to get in touch! Would love to include their ideas for our discussion but don’t want to run with them without permission!

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Hi @Josh_Constable,

Contributors to the open manifesto have to agree to their edits being public domain, so you’re welcome to use any policies which have been included (grand total of one so far!) - which reminds me… @afdy before I add my vote could you read the license and leave a comment on your proposal if you’re happy with it?

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Done, I think! Couple of overly complicated hoops to jump through there to get the masses on board! :wink:

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It definitely needs to be simpler, and that one is top of my list of things to try and fix!

If anyone is interested in the gory details… Add CLA accepted flag to database by jt-nti · Pull Request #1013 · openpolitics/groupthink · GitHub

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@Josh_Constable To me it would make sense for labour to get more actively involved in this ‘open local manifesto for Eastleigh’ idea for a few reasons:

  • It gets labours local manifesto ideas publicised more widely, which anyone else (non traditional labour supporters) can get behind.
  • Even if labour doesn’t get in, Labour can contribute to making Eastleigh better as other people can help push for the good ideas that were raised.
  • Labour should consider adopting all manifesto ideas in the open source Eastleigh manifesto - if it does, it would be a great stake in the ground for a future ‘Open Eastleigh’ where we all work together on common ideas in an open debatable way, not just internally within a party but externally with voters too.
  • Its great advertising for Labour also to support more modern approaches to local democracy. :slight_smile:
  • I like it as anyone can get involved, regardless of party affiliation.

It would be fantastic if Labour, and other parties/candidates in Eastleigh, made use of the open Manifesto, but I would be surprised if anyone would want to campaign for all the ideas in it. Picking the ideas that line up best with each party/candidates’ values, would make sense. Perhaps prioritising those with the biggest potential impact, or which are the most deliverable.

Of course everyone is welcome to get involved! (Looks like it’ll have two policies in the next few days! Might submit one of my own eventually!)