Today I attended the count. And in most wards there was a 30% turnout. This is shocking. So how do we encourage people to vote? As I have said before, I personally do not mind who people vote for, just as long as people vote. And ideally have an educated vote. So how do we encourage the people of eastleigh to vote?
Ensure everyone gets the right paper(s) for one
(Sorry, just coming off the debate on eastleigh neighbours! Lol)
But in all seriousness, the debate may be damaging local politics. Now people may be less inclined to trust the results, and even less inclined to vote next time.
I do think apps and pages like the ones @afdy has set up help, even if they do get dismissed as Tory Spin! Lol
Also, there needs to be a very clear explanation of what EBC do, and what HCC do. Many people on my HCC results post are complaining about issues that are wholly in EBCs domain.
Good question, I’ve struggled with this myself and have some random ideas/thoughts, I’m not convinced on all of them, but they’re good brainfart starter for tens:
- Central government law change to force voting.
- Candidates do it like they did in the labour north wins of the 80’s - get out in cars with loud speakers, blare out noise, make a song, stickers for kids, and a show, make it a community event!
- Encourage political discussion, ignore the “only place to discuss politics is in the voting booth” - no one learns anything that way.
- Encourage political engagement, open up what goes on in the councils, live stream, video the meetings.
- Forums like this are great, and a lot of people have read some content however this only captures people who are actively researching. The 70% do not research, and ‘do not care about politics’.
- Better journalism. People in Eastleigh get their local news from facebook groups, the echo (or hampshire live, which is the same company), or lib dem leaflets. Anyone know any bored wannabe journalists? Would love to get better journalism on the issues faced locally. They could be posted here and easily shared. Some good “where do people stand on which issues” pages would be really good.
- Better education (Local candidates and politicians work with colleges to better educate on how it works - I had no idea, its terribly confusing!).
- Get rid of PCC - no one has any idea what they’re really voting for and it contributes to voter fatigue!
Agree, here - people seem very confused on the difference between different layers of government and what they’re actually voting for. Perhaps the voting form, polling card, and polling stations should EXPLAIN what people are voting for and give them some information?
Are they still that great when the Council Leader dismisses them as Spin, and other comments say its a Tory mouthpiece?
Absolutely, as it allows the open google indexable and researchable conversation.
Council Leader Keith House dismissed it as spin as it suited his agenda at the time, because it was referencing an anti-lib dem post and he’s not in control of it. I note he first asked for evidence of lib dem lies, and manipulation- then when i gave him the evidence-based post on here he dismissed it as spin. He never answered or acknowledged the claims. Standard slippery avoidance and dismiss tactic.
One day it will be labour, next day tory spin, or whatever suits someone’s motive at the time. The site has no specific agenda apart from enabling the open fair conversation… Individuals posting however may have an agenda.
The other comments were actually about facebook page posts rather than this forum (separate off-topic issue).
I know, just pulling your leg
Everyone getting correct papers stop putting 2 votes in 1 envelope should all be separate they are when you go to polling station so should be the same for postal.
Make it clearer for youger generations and upcoming generations let them know why its important what impact they can have.
Covid friendly these days but lay on some info events through out some free pen or goodie bags to attract people everyone loves a freebie and at the same time they can learn and pick up information and who knows may even inspire people to get into politics.
Remember the older generation they dont all have whizzy computers and phones make those leaflets attractive so they dont end up in the bin.
I found the build up to these elections where bit bluugh why not make the weeks coming upto elections a bit more exciting and get people buzzing to vote instead of the atitude i have to vote so i can moan they aren’t doing anything… I could go on
- Another way could be to only have @Cllr s living in the area they are standing for (impossible I know, but throwing it out there), and prioritise their campaigning to that area
The fact that the Conservatives basically “gave up” on Central isn’t that great for democracy. At least while Mr Irish was unwell, @TParkEastleighN was still getting his name out there in leaflets.
It would’ve been nice for all candidates to truly represent the ward they stand in, and be subjected to the same triumphs and struggles as the residents of that ward are.
Also, the boundaries should be better aligned. Why can’t Central join the North ward (apart from that bit thats South)
Having people run for both EBC and HCC gets a bit confusing maybe. Like when we received @Josh_Constable or @ACulley 's leaflets, were they for Central or the county seat of North? I understand why it’s done and it can be done, just seems like a “split focus” in areas.
Please do… and welcome to the community!!
They will anyway. Many people don’t like unsolicited things through their mailbox.
We tried to do an online Hustings thing - to get people to debate each other on a Zoom call rather than just out-leaflet each other. But it fell flat. Any idea how else it could be more exciting?
Welcome!! Glad to have you here!
I actually don’t think people know what councillors do!
And communication between candidates can be so rude that people become disengaged.
My other half said…I never vote because what difference does it make? Well today I saw that if 6 more households voted in a ward the outcome would be different (potentially)
But if people knew what a councillor can do for the community perhaps they would vote???
Get every Candidate on here:
Wouldn’t it be great to have all candidates here, or even all Councillors?
Wouldn’t it be great if somehow there was a drive from us to get everyone on here.
Also we may need to decide if this is the forum, or EBLP on Facebook. So far, I prefer this one (FB has too many bugs!)
So both of those candidates I know how to get hold of! Agree this is a better forum than FB!!
Some sort of hustings?
The big ones for me are better journalism, and candidates setting a better example for political discussions.
Eastleigh News had a good spell for interviewing candidates a while ago but it hasn’t been as active recently which is a real shame. Hopefully the new local democracy reporters might help a bit.
One slightly wild idea I’ve been wondering recently is whether there’s any chance of crowd funding some sort of party neutral local politics 101 course, with the aim to encourage more candidates, and better election campaigns. It’s in our best interests to be represented by someone who can do the job well whichever party they represent.
There’s no one answer so anything anyone does will help. Actually feeling a bit more positive after years of very lonely gentle prodding with ESLHustings on Twitter!
Another way -
change the way we address Councillors
I’m just wondering how many people got tired of the Lib Dem bashing on Eastleigh Neighbours. Whether we like it or not, the LDs are in
I get it, they have their failings. But wouldn’t it be best to be seen working with the Council, like this?
Maybe publish all decisions/meetings taken in every month on a media platform such as Facebook
And not just the big ones i.e. SOU Airport or Allington. Let everyone see how much this council and the Councillors they elected work (or not) for them.
I don’t think the leading-party bashing is unique to the group. I think this is mainly because party politics become involved so people become overly passionate about it. That’s a whole other separate topic!
I also don’t think it’s as simple as your screenshot makes out:
- Councillors are busy people, often doing a day job on top of their councillor role so I doubt they get the time to easily monitor local Facebook groups.
- People are unfair to them.
- The other issue is party bias. A lib dem councillor may have bias and call on other lib dem councillors and prefer LD councillors to get the kudos over an “opponent” making the process extremely unfair.
There’s a positive for publishing all decisions and meetings every month though - it is all there, its published on the council website!
The council do do this, and they do publish bitesize announcements on their facebook and twitter accounts, and news page. I think this has improved drastically in recent years.
I do think an external body could ‘humanify’ the communications and decision making there though and say for example post it here which could be shared and engaged with so people could openly discuss it. This links back to the point made by @jtonline of improved journalism. If you know of anyone who would be interested in doing something, get them in touch
I kicked off a news aggregator for Eastleigh a while back which has sat quietly humming not doing much:
I love the idea of a neutral local politics 101 course, something hopefully all parties could get behind. Finding people to run such a thing would be challenging as anyone who becomes politically aware instantly is accused of bias.
I also think some sort of agreed guidance and operating ‘pact’ between candidates could help if implemented by an impartial body. i.e. “Don’t attack each-other”, “Don’t fuel hate”, “Don’t lie”, “Don’t manipulate and mislead”, “be responsive”, “be open to public debate”. The impartial body could then put up guidance containing all the candidates they publicly endorse?
Agree, I think this platform offers a much superior alternative for serious debate. Facebook focusses on encouraging users to comment, and constant engagement. This software mainly focuses on helping the transparent discussion, I think the reader to writer ratio on here is like 1000:1, whereas facebook it is much lower.
Wowsers, welcome aboard @Unicornwonders! Brilliant first post, loved almost everything you said! “I could go on…” - don’t let us stop you - keep going!!
Only issue I could see would be on the goodiebags and free pens - candidates aren’t rich! I’m sure some are broke and have no money to fund such things. That and waste of course. It also gives more bias towards party politics than individuals with no finance. Agree though it would probably get people involved!
As to election build up - great idea! I’m sure candidates would love that build up to be made… the thing is its on us the community to help generate that build up. Candidates by default are isolated and on their own. Together, we could make something happen that candidates could get behind?